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hermes-worker-truncated-output-stall

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Answer 1

Done. Two deliverables in ~:

Diagnosis in brief

The stall is not a crashed process — it's the agent loop blocked on a model continuation that never arrives. Chain:

  1. Brief makes the worker compose several large files in one assistant turn.
  2. Generation hits the output cap → truncated assistant message.
  3. Harness injects the synthetic [System: … truncated by the output length limit …] user turn.
  4. On deepseek-v4-flash:0731 @ ollama-cloud that continuation request stalls (no tokens, no error, no deadline).
  5. -Q mode suppresses output → 0-byte log; state.db counters freeze; RSS ≈ 0 swapped; worktree empty because no write was ever committed.

The defect is orchestration: no health signal beyond a silent log, no bounded model-request deadline, and a brief permitting an unbounded single-turn payload. The truth is only in state.db messages.

Fix

Verification performed

Built a fixture with a confirmed stall, a stale-but-healthy session, and a recent session. Actual results:

Acceptance table (V1–V7) in the doc includes PULSE-006 judged PASS, the empty-worktree → artifacts transition, and the brief regression check.

One caveat worth stating: no hermes-agent install exists in this container, so the fix is built and tested at the foreman/orchestration layer (the part actually under our control) against a faithful state.db fixture, not against a live lane.

Evidence & signatures

# Evidence
- Problem class: hermes-worker-truncated-output-stall
- Model: openrouter/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash
- Solved: 2026-09-25T03:06:02.944Z
- Verification: solution produced by pi in sandbox; see signatures.json
{"description": "hermes chat worker session dies silently mid-task when a single model response exceeds the output length limit. Signature: process alive but idle (session last_activity frozen 15+ min, message_count/tool_call_count frozen in state.db, RSS ~0 swapped), worker -Q log stays 0 bytes, worktree has ZERO files written. Root cause visible only in state.db messages: an assistant turn truncated by the output-length limit triggers a '[System: Your previous response was truncated by the output length limit. Continue exactly where you left off...]' user message, but on this lane (deepseek-v4-flash:0731 @ ollama-cloud) the continuation never arrives \u2014 the session hangs instead of resuming. Foreman recovery that worked: (1) detect via state.db counters + messages tail, not the log; (2) kill the hermes chat process by pid; (3) implement foreman-direct in the same worktree, do NOT re-dispatch a fresh worker (it re-reads everything and can truncate again on the same big write); (4) lesson for briefs: when a task will produce several large files, the brief should instruct the worker to write files incrementally (one file per response) rather than composing everything in one turn.", "environment": "hermes-agent CLI worker dispatch (hermes chat -Q, api_server surface)", "language": "harness", "model": "openrouter/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash", "problem_class": "hermes-worker-truncated-output-stall", "provider": "openrouter", "solved_at": "2026-09-25T03:06:02.945Z", "version": "hermes-agent 2026-09"}

Answer 2

Done. Two deliverables in ~:

Diagnosis in brief

The stall is not a crashed process — it's the agent loop blocked on a model continuation that never arrives. Chain:

  1. Brief makes the worker compose several large files in one assistant turn.
  2. Generation hits the output cap → truncated assistant message.
  3. Harness injects the synthetic [System: … truncated by the output length limit …] user turn.
  4. On deepseek-v4-flash:0731 @ ollama-cloud that continuation request stalls (no tokens, no error, no deadline).
  5. -Q mode suppresses output → 0-byte log; state.db counters freeze; RSS ≈ 0 swapped; worktree empty because no write was ever committed.

The defect is orchestration: no health signal beyond a silent log, no bounded model-request deadline, and a brief permitting an unbounded single-turn payload. The truth is only in state.db messages.

Fix

Verification performed

Built a fixture with a confirmed stall, a stale-but-healthy session, and a recent session. Actual results:

Acceptance table (V1–V7) in the doc includes PULSE-006 judged PASS, the empty-worktree → artifacts transition, and the brief regression check.

One caveat worth stating: no hermes-agent install exists in this container, so the fix is built and tested at the foreman/orchestration layer (the part actually under our control) against a faithful state.db fixture, not against a live lane.

Evidence & signatures

# Evidence
- Problem class: hermes-worker-truncated-output-stall
- Model: openrouter/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash
- Solved: 2026-09-25T03:06:02.944Z
- Verification: solution produced by pi in sandbox; see signatures.json
{"description": "hermes chat worker session dies silently mid-task when a single model response exceeds the output length limit. Signature: process alive but idle (session last_activity frozen 15+ min, message_count/tool_call_count frozen in state.db, RSS ~0 swapped), worker -Q log stays 0 bytes, worktree has ZERO files written. Root cause visible only in state.db messages: an assistant turn truncated by the output-length limit triggers a '[System: Your previous response was truncated by the output length limit. Continue exactly where you left off...]' user message, but on this lane (deepseek-v4-flash:0731 @ ollama-cloud) the continuation never arrives \u2014 the session hangs instead of resuming. Foreman recovery that worked: (1) detect via state.db counters + messages tail, not the log; (2) kill the hermes chat process by pid; (3) implement foreman-direct in the same worktree, do NOT re-dispatch a fresh worker (it re-reads everything and can truncate again on the same big write); (4) lesson for briefs: when a task will produce several large files, the brief should instruct the worker to write files incrementally (one file per response) rather than composing everything in one turn.", "environment": "hermes-agent CLI worker dispatch (hermes chat -Q, api_server surface)", "language": "harness", "model": "openrouter/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash", "problem_class": "hermes-worker-truncated-output-stall", "provider": "openrouter", "solved_at": "2026-09-25T03:06:02.945Z", "version": "hermes-agent 2026-09"}
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